This is a discussion of My-Internet-Payday which appears to be the same product as Joel Comm’s MyGooglePayday discussed here already.
Also, there is a new UNRELATED product called Internet Payday discussed here:
2/05/2010 update: I thought it would be important to point out how quickly InfoMedia fixed issues people complained about here. Also, it is important to realize that a totally DIFFERENT company – having nothing to do with Joel Comm’s company started a different offer they ALSO called “My Internet Payday”.
Also, InfoMedia quickly got their BBB rating back to an A+ rating after it had dropped down to a B- rating. You can see that here:
6/1/2009 update: My-Internet-Payday has a message stating “My Internet Payday is Not Accepting New Members at this Time. Please check back in the future for openings.”
I also noticed that a lot of the fake blog owners pulled My-Internet-Payday from their promotions well before My-Internet-Payday posted that message. That could be because they knew the offer was going to expire, it could be because InfoMedia specifically disallowed that form of promotion, or it could be for some totally different reason.
5/25/2009 update: This whole discussion of My-Internet-Payday seems to have turned into a discussion of how to cancel the course. If that’s what you’re looking for, there is plenty of information throughout the discussion on that and the direct link to their support desk that covers that is here:
http://support.infomediainc.com/index.php
Also note that when I say “improvements” it does NOT mean that’s how I would like to see the order process in an ideal situation and it’s my opinion based on past versions of the order process I’ve seen. But what you and I think individually doesn’t mean anything as I try to explain in my 5/19/2009 post which I got a lot of flack for. Along with my 5/24/2009 reply to Annelie. Keep in mind that is a layperson’s interpretation of only a partial piece of the FTCs material on clear and conspicuous disclosure – the experts in those matters are the Attorneys for the company’s in question and the FTC attorneys.
The difficult part of that as Not Kevin (in my opinion one of the more substantive contributors to this aspect of the discussion) has pointed out is that there seem to sometimes be multiple forms of the order process going on simultaneously – I don’t know if that’s a temporary situation or not.
Hopefully eventually this discussion will get back on track at some point and allow people to give their feedback about the actual product, although I certainly do understand that what’s been going on has value as well.
5/14/2009 update: Hackersafe logo issue has been fixed.
5/12/2009 important update: Enough has gone on here that I feel it’s important to point out that My-Internet-Payday never made it into the recommended products list at WorkAtHomeTruth or the top 10 recommended home businesses list. I had planned to move into a full review of the product, but because of the feedback I’ve received about customer service for the product here I’ve decided to put that on hold.
4/27/2009 update: Even MORE improvements to the order process! The current disclosure on My-Internet-Payday site is now placed directly at the point of the order form which is good news. For some reason the HackerSafe logo snuck back on the page, but that was just probably an oversight that will be fixed soon.
4/17/2009 update: The My-Internet-Payday sales process has gone through a major overhaul and has implemented the following changes:
- The Hackersafe logo issues has been fixed.
- The text next to the asterisk now states: “This is a $1 Trial. After trial expires additional monthly fees apply see terms and conditions.” (Note, you can find the terms and conditions at the bottom of the second page – the page on which you enter your payment details).
3/24/2009 update: BBB logo issue has been fixed
Again, it’s a $1.00 trial offer which automatically converts into a $78.64/monthly fee at the end of the trial period in order to retain access to the membership. The cancelation procedures are spelled out in the Terms and Conditions found by clicking the Terms and Conditions link which tells you to:
“CAREFULLY READ AND AGREE TO THE TERMS BELOW BEFORE ORDERING:”
And then goes into the details on how the trial offer works.
Joel Comm has made significant contributions to the field of Adsense Education which is easy to see from the vast number of legitimate testimonials he has for his product The Adsense Code here. Those are REAL people giving REAL testimonials. And people like Alice Seba who is giving her testimonial there don’t just hand out testimonials willy-nilly.
I still have some qualms which I feel obligated to point out since I am constantly telling the visitors to WorkAtHomeTruth to look for these kind of issues on sites, so I’d be remiss not to mention them.
I still am wondering why the HackerSafe logo is being used as I discussed in the write-up of the sales page for MyGooglePayday here.
3/24/2009 UPDATE: The issue with the BBB logo discussed in the following paragraphs been fixed and has been made clickable now.
3/24/2009 Start of original BBB information follows…(The following discussion of the BBB logo is no longer relevant but left in place for historical purposes).
I also don’t understand why My-Internet-Payday.com doesn’t have a live link from their BBB logo to their BBB confirmation page since the BBB Seal Program’s outline in Wyoming and Northern Colorado tells consumers:
“You know a company is authorized to display either seal if it links to a BBB confirmation page. Always click on a BBB seal to confirm the company’s good standing with BBB.”
Click here to read the full terms of the Wyoming and Northern Colorado seal program.
Certainly from a sales copy flow having a clickable logo would give up the control. On the other hand, if a site isn’t using the logo as it’s designed to be used I would think it could possibly have a NEGATIVE effect on credibility…although ironically the BBB themselves has NO Terms of use on their site as I’m writing this…click here for the Wyoming and Northing Colorado “Terms of Use”…NOT! (Note, they may have them up by the time you read this).
3/24/2009 End of the original BBB discussion (no longer relevant but left in place for historical purposes).
The bottom line is that based on my experience with some of Joel Comm’s previous information, it’s probably very good educational material, but I have NOT specifically reviewed the My-Internet-Payday course – which apparently is also known as MyGooglePayday.
As mentioned in the discussion of MyGooglePayday, you may want to pick up a copy of The Adsense Code BOOK first – although certain a 7-day trial should be sufficient time for you to decide if the My-Internet-Payday product is right for you.
You can grab a copy of the Adsense Code from Amazon on-the-cheap here.
Note: I should point out that Joel Comm has stated back on 2/27/2009 in the MyGooglePayday comments section here in that “We recently learned that Hackersafe is no longer active and are switching to McAfee as soon as we can get it running.” So I would assume we’ll see that switchover pretty soon, although I still don’t 100% understand that statement, because I thought that the “switchover” was done automatically for Hackersafe users, but it’s possible I’m wrong about that.
Click here to read about the change from Hackersafe to McAfee secure.
Related information:
Here are some the sites (NOTE: These people’s Adsense Revenue sites may be DIFFERENT) of the people giving the testimonials so you can confirm these are REAL people with established, professional sites:
- InternetMarketingSweetie.com is Alice Seba’s site.
- Lockergnome.com is Chris Pirillo’s site
- Barbara Feldman – Surfing the Net With Kids at SurfNetKids.com
- SurefireWealth.com is Jeremy Gislason’s site
- TheMarketingMD.com is Dr. Mike Woo-Ming’s site.
- TheInternetTourbus.com is a site co-run by Bob Rankin
Of course there are many more testimonials, but those are some of the better known authors and sites.
As always, any and all feedback is welcome.
I subscribed to Joel Comms “My google payday” and half the links in week one were inoperable when discussion how to create offsite links and then I just got completely cut off the program when I had not signed in for four days as I was about to tackle week three of the program. I tried to link to the BBB as well and that did not work.
Michael,
Did you try to get that issue resolved with Joel Comm’s customer service department?
Also, I didn’t quite understand your comment:
“I tried to link to the BBB as well and that did not work”.
What does that mean?
@Paul (Founder, WorkAtHomeTruth):
Dear Paul
As a full time employee and half time student, I thought that maybe it would not be worthwill to pursue and decided not to contact Joel Comm’s customer service department.
Its obviously been awhile; I remember signing up for the Joel Comm’s Internet Payday and never did read the extended fine print under terms and conditions. My fault. I unexpectedly found the charges on my credit card and then called Joel’s Comm customer representative to cancel my subscription.
I lead, like most other ‘non-astude’ to believe this was only a dollar. I have learned from this and will always read the fine print. However the first three weeks or so, if I remember correctly, was supposed to be for one dollar. Half of my links and lessons where either unavailable at the time or just did not work. So, I went back to the original internet add/webpage that I found the Internet Payday offer for One Dollar, on this page was what appeared to be a hyperlink to the BBB. I clicked on this link just to let the BBB know it was slighly misleading and probably designed to be like that initially and the link did not work either.
So is that site of My Internet PayDay another scam?
No Luz,
That’s what I’m trying to get across. Even though it LOOKS like a lot of the other sites people have complained about, based on my experience of Joel Comm’s information in the past, the quality of the information is likely very good.
But I can’t endorse My-Internet-Payday 100% because I haven’t seen the specific content.
However, I ALSO wanted to make sure people understood how the monthly charges work after the trial period as I’ve seen people have issues with that on other offers/products.
Thanks for your site. While the terms are in the fine print, to me this borders on false advertising.
Calling all international users who have got caught with Joel’s $1 scam !!
Of course most of us cannot reach that number and to not have a vaild email service to allow members to cancel, but he does have an email service to get you to join is criminal but I found a way that allows you to call them from Australia for free
I have an iPhone…if you grab the app called “Fring” and use the service on Fring called “SIP” it will let you dial American/USA toll free numbers just like you were on a normal phone in the USA…great…
now all I have to do is sit up until 4 in the morning.. I should be nice & happy by then so this should be a pleasant cancellation of a service…
NOT….
not happy Jan….or Joel…or whoever you are…obviously going broke if your having to resort to scams to make your claimed squillions of dollars a month….
Nick,
The trial offer is completely legitimate and my office is entirely reachable by either telephone or email.
You can call us at 970-278-0011 or open a ticket at http://www.thehelpdesk.us
Any voicemails left or tickets opened during the trial period will be honored as you would expect.
Joel
P.S. – we’ve put together a ton of content in the member’s area. I would hope that you have taken the opportunity to absorb it.
So why is http://www.thehelpdesk.us not on your website or contact us page?
I do admit the information in the 7 day trial is good information, spot on and if I had the spare $78 i would stay on. It’s really sad that the miss representation is there with the joining fee.
if it was made crystal clear from word go, I would actually be recommending your program by word of mouth which you would understand to be invaluable.
I have emailed the website above and yesterday sent an email to the address that confirmed my payday membership (not posted on here for spam reasons).
I expect that the membership will be canceled within 48 hours, if not I’ll make plenty of noise.
Nick.
I am the same as Nick. i have tried calling and got a no service response. I have emailed a ticket as you will to you help desk and expect to be removed from you credit card and emailing lists within 48 hours as well as i was joined up to the program by someone unauthorised for my accounts.
Katherine
Nick,
But the terms are listed there with the appropriate use of the asterisks right below the order button. I don’t think he needs to have it say that you’ll be charged $78 bucks right there. The asterisks let’s us know we need to look and find what the page is referring to.
This is taken right off the BBB:
“The asterisk or other reference symbol should not be used as a means of contradicting or substantially changing the meaning of any advertising statement. Information referenced by asterisks should be clearly and prominently disclosed.”
I don’t think the asterisks would be used to initially deceive people. The web designer probably just ran out of room to put “you’ll be charged a recurring fee of $78 on your free trial”, instead.
So it’s easier to put the “* Additional Terms Apply” and then we know enough to go find the terms the asterisks is referring to. Plus, the phrase “* Additional Terms Apply” is clickable as well – so that makes it OK.
Hope this helps!
-Jimmy
I agree that I think Joel is scaming for more money and deceiving us by not making it clear as to the additional money it will cost after the ‘trial’; and making it hard to cancel. I am looking to subsidise my income and I can not afford to pay money to earn money. Even if I like his concept, all that goes down the drain when Joel cons people. He is rich enough, he can afford to add a few more sentence to his ad to make it truely legit. He fail on that, and on that note I will cancel on his program immediately. He is NOT HONEST enough for me. If he is not doing it correctly and being honest up front, to me this is a scam.
I came across a link to Joel’s webpage while looking at another site.
I have no credit card and so wrote down the toll-free number to call about ordering by mail. When I called the number, I discovered that I can’t reach it from my area. So, I came back online to find out how else I could contact them and came across this site when I entered the URL. I’m glad I did because now I’m not so sure I’m interested any more.
heheh the number on their cancelation line hangs up on u after one ring if anyone is interested. tried 5 times in a row to confirm lolz scammers are sad ppl
so basically it is a scam and that people have to pay $70bucks every month? that sucks…
Hi,
I also try to cancel the trial during the 7 day and can’t reach the customer support number, or the one listed by Joel here.
I tried to open an account on http://thehelpdesk.us but the confirmation email never came to me.
Not sure what to do, I still have 4 days left until the 7 days expires.
I tried to call also from VOIPRaider but the same result.
Lucian
Forgot to mention, I’m from Canada.
About the My Internet Pay Day content – it is very good. I knew there will be some monthly charges, but I did not see these listed until today. Can’t afford that for now.
Thanks,
Lucian
Jimmy,
Where did you find that information about the use of the asterisk on the BBB website? I haven’t been able to find that.
Never mind, Jimmy. Just found it here.
Hmmm. I’m not sure what to think of that actually.
That’s an interesting page. I’m surprised I’ve never run across it before.
I don’t know. I’m definitely torn here.
I know that if I did a trial offer I would have done it differently – probably put the specific terms directly above the order form.
On the other hand there’s no question that Joel Comm’s knowledge and content is excellent. Even the people who have posted about the billing have mentioned how good the content is.
I think sometimes the affiliate networks put pressure on the product owners to set up their offers in certain ways.
Hi Everyone
SCAM….I FEEL
I cannot contact anyone as above the number goes dead the other number is engaged all the time the support desk…no email back
I loved the first week INFO Layout everything good information etc but i would have paid the full amount and had the 13weeks all at once but this is horrible
I cant do anything cant google pull these sites?
I tried to register 4 times to thehelpdesk.us and I never got the confirmation email… The phone number are inaccesible also…
Joel or someone from your team, if you see this, please let me know how can we get hold of your customer support. I need to cancel my subscription before sunday when the 7 day trial expires.
Thanks,
Lucian
Good news. I used VOIPRaider to call 1-970-278-0011 and finally someone answered and I cancelled my membership.
Perhaps they have too many people calling and the line was busy all the time.
I am glad that it was solved.
Lucian
If the trouble with getting through were because of too many people phoning, the line would sound a busy signal. I got no busy signal, but a recording saying that the number is inaccessible from my area. Others that have written to this blog say that they received no answer. There’s something else going on that doesn’t seem as innocent as you’re willing to grant Lucien. I still say I’m glad I didn’t get through by phone and found this blog before I managed to sign up.
Victor.
Hi Victor,
Yes, I got the same thing as you, “out of area” for the Support phone number listed on the website (1-888-210-9941)
The number that worked for me was 1-970-278-0011, this one is listed above by Joel and I also found it in one emails from them after signup. Yesterday this number did not have the busy signal, it just ringed once and disconnected. Today it worked on my first try, but I did use VOIP instead the regular phone.
I was frustrated and concerned that I will not be able to cancel before the end of the trial version. And yes, the monthly payments are not very visible on the site when you first get the trial version.
I would not recommend this site to other people.
Here is another thing that I noticed — there are some advertising on the facebook for a Google Cash program. These websites have the same pictures and content, and claim the same things, just the website owner’s name is different and they show like it is from your local area. So they fake that to make you think that someone else “close” to you (as in the same city) was able to do that, then why not you give it a try! I found these after I signed up with a link to “My internet payday” coming from a site like this.
So I’d say – don’t go for it.
Lucian
Victor,
I just checked this site which lists calling codes and international calling codes.
Perhaps you have to dial 011+1+number?
Lucian,
Sounds like the sites I posted about here back on December 13, 2008 (i posted a list of nearly 500 in the comments section).
Paul,
That could be the case as I’m in Canada, but frankly, I agree with Lucian and I’m not going for it. That’s why I said I’m glad I came across this blog before I managed to find a successful way to sign up.
Here are 2 examples:
http://coreyhasmoney.com/
http://www.dangetsgreen.com/
Look at the content. Those 2 have different names and pictures, but they have the same story:
“A year ago I was an account manager for a (drum roll) a pipe manufacturing company. Not exactly what I dreamed of when I was growing up. The job I had before that, I used to work in at a mortgage company.”
Look also at the comments, almost same persons, same comments. And at the bottom it says “Leave a Reply. — Comments disabled due to spam.” As otherwise people will have something to say to those sites…
And the thing that I talked about is adding links on Google, but when you click on that “Google Cash Starter Kit”, it goes to My Internet Pay Day, which has tutorials about how to use Google services…
Perhaps Joel changed his program or something. The content inside is good, video tutorials, e-books etc. But the way you get to it or to get out of this system is not something you can trust.
Be aware, anyway.
Lucian
Paul,
Thank you for creating this site! It is useful for people to get an advised opinion on different work at home programs.
Lucian
Lucian,
Those sites you referenced have promoted all sort of products for months now – they just keep switching out the products they are promoting.
Did you see my previous comment about those sites? I posted about those kind of sites back on December 13, 2008 here.
I never saw monthly membership fee!
now im trying to get out of this membership and i cant get through to any of the numbers! either out of area or it just automatically disconnects!!
It was nearly impossible to reach anyone at customer service and when I finally did, they were uninformed and very rude. No response to 5+ emails either. Smells like scammers to me.
Jim how long was the time between you emailing them and waiting for a response? Did they send any sort of autoresponse confirming they got your email?
What’s going on here really doesn’t remind me of the Joel Comm I’m familiar with. I have to admit that I’m surprised by some of the comments that are getting posted here, although I will say that I’ve seen these types of comments on OTHER negative option marketing products in the past. But usually those companies were intentially trying to avoid cancelations and refunds which I’m sure isn’t what’s going on here. I think maybe the volume has been too much for them or maybe they need to add how to call their customer service company from the various countries they’re marketing in.
Again, I would have disclosed the terms differently myself, but that’s just me. Also it looks like they added another disclosure statement on the second step of the process now. I’d have to go back and look at the original one to verify that.
TWO asterisks? LOL. Come on guys, how many freaking asterisks do you need? Sheesh.
I mean I found the terms in just under 5 seconds the first time on the page and it took only one asterisks to spot it.
-Jimmy
Im pissed my son signed up for this thinking it was $1 used my credit card without telling me i found out 7 days later after i had been slugged the $78 after 5 days i want my money back and you need to be contactable by email you contacts are rediculous
I have received a confirmation email from Infomedia, confirming my account cancellation.
That’s more like it !! Now it’s starting to look more like a service you would expect from a reputable internet information trader.
Now all Joel needs is the monthly fee’s up front not hidden, and also the links to the cancel service up front & not hidden and all would be well.
I definitely cannot recommend it to anyone in this state.
That goes for the new service that has been advertised to me in the cancellation email also “Twitter”
Thank you for honoring my cancellation.
Nick.
Are you guy’s sure this is not just “Google Money Tree” re-wrapped into another name. Is Joel also behind “Google Money Tree” ??
I would SERIOUSLY doubt Joel has anything to do with Google Money Tree which I wrote about here.
I was set up and running within 30 minutes and the results are in. My revenue in my first 30 days was $1,800.83 – more than enough to cover my mortgage payment! The next 30 days brought in over $2,200 straight from Google.”
- M. Quick
“Joel saved my business with a fraction of the insight found in this eBook.”
- Chris Pirillo, Tech TV Host
“I’ve been using Joel’s techniques and now I’m watching my clicks and earnings go to levels I never thought possible.”
- Bob Rankin, Internet Pioneer
“I spent a couple hours implementing your suggestions and BAM — I have been making an extra $50 per day since. I can’t believe I allowed myself to just leave that money sitting on the table.”
- Alice Seba, AliceSeba.com
Joey, so wat exactly is Joel all about. I haven’t workd since 06′ & am in need of a job. I just don’t want to do something that leads no where. What exactly does Joel give in his trial? I am so tired of being screwd I really need something that is gona get me out of debt.
I’m not far from the same boat as Lucy. I’ve worked contract projects periodically since being laid off in 2008 and all it will take is a dry stretch of a couple of months to sink me. I could use a legit venture such as Joel promises, but am leery of things that sound too good to be true.
I just tried to cancel my subscription and I reached the
customer support line without a problem.. I was told that there was nothing to cancel as they had no iformation ie.. no credit card info or anything else just my name and email. I hope I don’t get charged and they say they have no record of my calling to cancel. Will let you know if I have any trouble.
Just cancel your credit card as if it was stolen and they will not be able to use it again.
hahahaha
Deborah,
you would have had to give your credit card information to pay the $1 fee !
I’ve been in the program for three weeks and the content is great, I have to conciously try to keep on schedule due to the amount of content. It’s more than worth the $78…
I don’t think a single person here said that the content was not great, from the looks of the above posts i would go as far as saying that Joel appears to have an excellent reputation and a number of people were disappointed that there were these ‘mistakes’ on his Internet Pay Day product.
I even went as far as saying I would come back myself despite the hiccup ! I am more disappointed I don’t have the cash to continue at the moment.
No response to tickets submitted so tried the number Joel left on this site, got through straight away and very helpful staff confirmed no money had been deducted from my card, closed my account and said they would e-mail me confirmation. I agree that the content seems worthwhile and I will certainly try to re-sign when I can afford it
I agree with Nick. No one has questioned the content of the material. Hell, I haven’t even seen it yet because I don’t have a credit card and didn’t get through to the toll-free line. Since finding this blog I haven’t tried again. But, even if it’s a great system, no system is a perfect fit for everyone. Some will find it a perfect fit, others will find it a less than perfect fit, but still worth the effort and others will find it doesn’t fit them at all. And if it’s not a fit, you need to be able to withdraw. Course I haven’t even gotten in yet and haven’t made up my mind whether to or not.
I can see this blog already has a pretty staunch position FOR the program, but I’d like to add my name to the list of people who got scammed by these people.
I signed in for the initial $1. Went through the first week’s material.
Two weeks later I realized I hadn’t gotten anything further. So I went to the site. And it was gone.
(went from mygooglepayday to myinternetpayday.com)
There was no redirect. I had to dig to find another site, which SEEMED to be right.
Called customer service, who refused to offer any sort of refund on the $79 they charged after the first week. Wouldn’t even consider a partial refund.
Okay, I know that TECHNICALLY, they didn’t violate any law. There IS a TOS that explained this. But they were crafty about hiding it; they moved their damn site without any notice to me; they gave a WEEK trial when a MONTH trial is far more common… because they know people can easily lose track after a week and get screwed.
Illegal? No. Highly unscrupulous? Yes. I will warn everyone to stay away from this and Joel Comm.
Grae,
I’d say that most of the people are saying that the content was good, but did NOT like the way the offer was presented.
As I mentioned above, I would have liked to see the discloure of the terms ABOVE the order form where the credit card is entered. I just saw another trial offer (the URL is escaping me right now) that I thought did a good job that put the disclosure of the monthly charges in a box that was highlighted in pink wich drew the eye to the terms of the monthly charges.
Also, Michael Brown just set one up where NO CREDIT CARD is required to get access to the first 14 training videos and if the person likes the training they can upgrade for just a small ONE-TIME fee (currently $67) and get acess to all the training videos and discussion forum.
That one’s at
http://www.affiliatemoneyrevolution.net/go/FreeTrial