Dennis Yu graph
I'm surprised at how many intelligent people are trying to "guess" what's going on with Dennis Yu, Shoe Money, Markus Frind, etc. when the actual DATA is right in front of their noses. The only person I've seen actually make a real attempt to find out what's going on based on data is one of the posters at WickedFire.
Why am I doing this? Because I want to know the answer to the following question:
Can Dennis Yu really reveal anything new about scamming techniques and operations that can be helpful to consumers?
I've been collecting a lot of data, generating a lot of graphs, and looking for overlaps, patters, but there's so much that organizing it and then detailing it is pretty time consuming. Here's just one of the graphical sneak previews (the details of which will provide indicators of what is most likely to be true in all of this):
Dennis Yu Graph - Edge Weighted View
First of all – why should anyone care? As Michael Webster pointed out the real reason to care is to find out what insight Dennis may be able to shed on behind the scenes shady tactics/operations going on. But based on the TechCrunch post about FaceBook scamming it didn't appear that Dennis was revealing anything particularly new – but he also claimed he was holding back the more interesting information.
So details of this graph and a few others I've been working on will start to answer questions such as:
- Was Dennis Yu involved in the porn industry?
- What role did various connections of Dennis play in the development of Blitzlocal (at least one of the names really took me by surprise in a big way - and hasn't been mentioned in all of the recent posts as far as I can recall).
- What role did Markus Frind play (if any) in the development of Blitzlocal
- What is the real significance of the recent ShoeMoney posts about Dennis Yu
Hopefully once some of that is detailed at least SOME of the inane guessing games will stop and the more important can be answered (at least for my customers)…
Can Dennis Yu really reveal anything new about scamming techniques and operations that can be helpful to consumers?
If you want to continue engaging in guessing games about Dennis Yu, Jeremy Shoemaker, Markus Frind, etc. then here are a few places for you:
- Click here if you like to get your information from "little birdies"
- Click here to play guessing games at Markus Frind's blog
- Click here to guess what Dennis Yu might have left out when he "cleared up" things
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Comments on Dennis Yu graph
7:25 pm
Looking forward to the results of your research.
7:32 pm
@michael webster: Thanks Michael. Been down sick for a bit. Maltego definitely speeds things up, btw. But there is still a lot of manual work required to get some of the data.
Will you be doing a write-up on the Google Pacific WebWorks lawsuit?
7:51 pm
@Paul (Founder, WorkAtHomeTruth): Yes, I am setting up a file to download the various court documents. I don't see how on this pleading that PWW is responsible as the credit card processor. I think more has to be pleaded.
8:06 pm
@michael webster: Maybe because Intellipay is a subsidiary of Pacific Webworks? Or are you saying Google would have to file a separate pleading on that?
9:20 pm
@Paul (Founder, WorkAtHomeTruth): Here is the beginning of the complaint:
"Upon information and belief, Defendants engage in the illegal and infringing acts alleged below through an interrelated network of entities that share common ownership, officers, managers, office locations, business and accounting functions. To avoid detection and identification of all those behind the scam, this network includes an ever-changing coterie of websites that utilize the same templates to generate the same fake news stories, fake testimonials, fake blogs and pressure tactics to drive unsuspecting consumers to credit card processing sites like those run by PWW. Because they have operated as a common enterprise, each Defendant is jointly and severally liable for the unlawful and infringing acts alleged below."
Basically, Google is suing PWW to find out through the discovery process who is behind these fake websites. Google has simply asserted that PWW is in cahoots with the scammers. There are better ways to find this out. By the time discovery is done with the scammers will be long gone.
10:23 pm
@michael webster: I'm curious about some of the better ways.
It seems a more direct approach would be to go to the affiliate networks that were running the offers as they have a direct line to their affiliates…although many networks allow payment by paypal or direct deposit, both of which could easily keep the identity of the actual affiliates hidden.
Do you have a different idea of how Google might go after the information? Or if you plan to write that up in your blog I'll just wait on that and link over to it.
Another thing that's been on my mind is why Google continues to allow Pacific WebWorks (the actual company) to run on adwords when they've disabled accounts of some companies selling pretty common physical items for not having a good privacy policy or having an optin box on a landing page).
I posted about that here:
Google forgets to disable Pacific WebWorks Adwords account
Is there a legal reason why Google would allow the advertising to run from a company they claim caused them "incalculable damage" while disabling the account of someone selling pneumatic seals because they didn't like his privacy policy or optin page?