July 2, 2008

Cash Gifting - Wow, people are basically insane

While on YouTube I started noticed an alarming number of videos promoting cash gifting programs. But what's even more baffling is that the various people are trying to get other people to join their specific team in the program.

What? Even if cash gifting were somehow borderline legal the whole idea of a "team" kind of throws the whole idea of non-incentivized gifting out the window doesn't it?

Cash Gifters - Parody cash gifting video and song

Of course I'm sure "This one is different. THIS time we're not all going to jail like in those other ones (well, not everyone goes to jail, but it IS a possibility and DOES happen)".

But it's a "gift" -  how can it be illegal to give away money?

Many people are misled into thinking a cash gifting clubs and opportunies are legal because the ads say that members consider their payments a gift and expect nothing in return. As the FTC points out, this is merely an attempt to make an illegal transaction look legal.

In fact, to show how deeply participants will go to protect their investment - er, "gift" - in these gifting circles, many find it hard to believe the clubs are illegal despite threats of criminal charges and after reading consumer alerts issued by the Federal Trade Commission.

Some of my favorite lines from the current cash gifting videos are the following:

"Even though the business is legitimate…" (There, that settles that!)

"You Know Cash Gifting Is Real! So Whatcha Gonna Do About It?" (Oh, right. I forgot).

"I checked IRS rules about cash gifting…the more I tried to find something negative or unethical about it…for everything I found that was negative I found ten or more posts that were positive." (Good analysis there, Sherlock).

OK. Maybe somehow THIS one IS different. All I'm saying is you might want to check what's being told to you against resources like the following (or better yet, how about talking to your attorney? How about talking to the company's attorney and check out his or her background?). Anyhow, here's some pleasant reading to do in your copious spare time you gain from your cash gifting activities:

FTC warning on cash gifting

329 Jailed in 2006 by law for Gifiting!

Here's a fun one that MLMWatchDog mentions:

Here's the starting version of the Cash2Infinity site from Archive.org:

June 30, 2002 version of Cash2Infinity (first historically available appearance of the site)

The fun part of this program was this statement:

"Moving on to view this site is your contract with Cash2Infinity that you will not share anything learned or obtained from Cash2Infinity with any agency or office of government or otherwise."

Here's the last version of Cash2Inifinity on October 28, 2003

After that it became a parked domain which you can see here.

So the good news is they were able to keep the thing going for at least over a year. That's gotta make ya'll happy right?

Here's another helpful page from Rod Cook's MLMWatchDog which is "dedicated to Stopping Pyramid Scams, Gifting Clubs, Gifting Scams, demonstrating that Gifting programs can put people in jail"…here it is:

Gifting Resources - Links to research Gifting Programs

Here's a nice June 13th, 2008 post on Cash Gifting:

"People need to know HOW ILLEGAL THIS IS! My cousin was busted a week ago for gifting. One of the contacts she called from the list was an FBI agent. It was a sting…Read More…"

Another fine headline from MLMWatchDog:

"AN ADVISORY PUT OUT TO "GIFTERS" FROM A LAWYER,  NOW IN JAIL!" Click here to read more about this cash gifting story.

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July 4, 2008

MarketingUnlimited @ 3:48 pm

Why did you remove our video? We thought it added a nice touch, LOL. Anyway, thanks for the plug, however brief it may have been. We will return the favor in part two (or three) of our Cash Gifting Series. Best of luck!

Take care,

REV
MarketingUnlimited

admin @ 8:16 pm

I may put it back up. The first part of it was brilliantly done, but I wasn't sure about the end.

I need to go take another look.

July 17, 2008

steve d. @ 9:58 pm

funny thing is … this is all a promotion of rod cook as well as the mlm watch dog site which by the way –sells rod cook. And they make money from it.

Like, Hey I sell a marketing tool but all your stuff is illegal -buy my stuff ooh oooh .

But I am sure this wont be posted either for very long.

July 24, 2008

John @ 4:34 am

All of the content here is the typical "DON'T JOIN THEM JOIN ME" because I'm better crock of shit you will see no matter what type of opportunity you promote.

Do your own diligence and don't trust the words of this ignorant asshole.

admin @ 5:22 am

Thanks for commenting John.

I'm confused though. What are they joining?

I don't really specifically tell anyone to join anything and I specifically point out that everything is just my opinion and also show them exactly how to get Refunds on products recommended at this site.

So I basically agree with John, just make sure that even if you do your own due diligence to make sure you understand exactly how to get refunds on any product that you buy. It's not enough for a product to "say" it has a money-back guarantee, because a lot of money-back guarantees aren't honored.

August 28, 2008

John @ 9:02 am

First, I want to say that I do not participate in cash gifting. However, I find the debate quite fascinating as many of my customers are cash gifters and introduced me to the concept. In all the online debates, I've noticed strong opinions on both sides, yet very few facts as they pertain to today's cash gifting programs. Yes, many programs, including MLM, have had issues in the past; and even still today if they're not structured properly. However, (and again, this is just Devil's advocate stuff) not one person has been able to cite a local, state, or federal code violation for the activities going on in todays "properly structured" cash gifting programs. Every reference you've shown on this site refers to "pyramid" and/or ponzi schemes, which are in fact illegal. However, I'm sure you know that none of the bigger, more popular, gifting programs operate this way and have been going on for years. Someone might argue that, "well, law enforcement just hasn't caught up with them yet. but they will!" is pure nonsense. One, many of these outfits are operating within the US, on US servers, with US ISPs. It would take a government law enforcement agency ONE day to serve GoDaddy with a cease and desist notice and that outfit would be shut down immediately. Again, this is quite intriguing. And by the way, your Cash2Infinity.com theory of being shut down has been blown. They're up and running again, without all the quirky warnings. But I did see the archive and agree that was kinda hoaky.

Best Regards,

John
http://www.DollarCardMarketing.com

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